Re: BLIND OPEN RELAY HELP

[aal@cpr.spb.ru (Alexey Lobanov)]

Hello.

Date sent:      	Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:45:45 +0300
From:           	Matti Aarnio <mea@nic.funet.fi>
To:             	Ali Idris <ali_baba_2001uk@yahoo.co.uk>
Copies to:      	zmailer@nic.funet.fi
Subject:        	Re: BLIND OPEN RELAY HELP

>  You are looking for complete anonymity ?

I'm afraid, this man asks the traditional question of all 
Internet Scouts: "How to hide|forge completely my IP address"? :-
)

So, no sensible ansver is possible. Just "RTFM for TCP".

Alexey

> 
>  By default the ZMailer is configured (and equiped) for
>  "Internet Surveillance Project" needs -- it makes things
>  easier for ISPs to hunt down the badies when there is
>  some real data at hand.
> 
>  Some have asked to strip out all Received: headers, but
>  I have not implemented that -- See  RFC 2821 about loop
>  detection.   Replacing all former Received: headers might
>  make sense when the message is going into controlled
>  direction.  That is, email coming into a site keeps its
>  Received: headers intact, but one going out gets them
>  mugged....
> 
>  However, doing security by OBSCURITY is no (real) security,
>  so I really don't see point there in hiding things for mere
>  "security".
> 
> 
>  Lets see what the Yahoo email tells:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 12:21:21PM +0100, Ali Idris wrote:
> > Received: from web11406.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.131.236]:3819
> > "HELO 	web11406.mail.yahoo.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]"
> > smtp-auth: <none> 	TLS-CIPHER: <none>) by nic.funet.fi with
> > SMTP id <S42117AbRFILVY>; 	Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:21:24 +0300
> 
>  nic.funet.fi  saw the message coming from Yahoo's system.
> 
> > Message-ID:
> > <20010609112121.73784.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Received:
> > from [195.92.198.72] by web11406.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Jun
> > 2001 12:21:21 BST
> 
>  The Yahoo system got it from IP address  195.92.198.72
>  which reverses as:  webcacheW02b.cache.pol.co.uk
> 
>  To find your real identity, I would need to make some detailed
>  questions to  pol.co.uk  admins, and it would not be guaranteed
>  that I would get any reply.
> 
> > Date:	Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:21:21 +0100 (BST)
> > From:	Ali Idris <ali_baba_2001uk@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: BLIND OPEN RELAY HELP
> > To:	zmailer@nic.funet.fi
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > Return-Path: <ali_baba_2001uk@yahoo.co.uk>
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I was wondering, do you know where I can buy a smtp
> > mailserver or anything similar that will sendout
> > messages to recipients without showing my computer ip
> > and isp details?
> 
>  What you apparently are asking for is anonymizer service.
>  I did put word:  "anonymizer"  into   www.google.net,  and
>  got a bunch of commercial services as well as some probably
>  free service pointers.
> 
>  There used to be system called   'anon.penet.fi',  but
>  that is long gone.
> 
>  Newer things seem to be:
>   - Remailer
>   - Mixmaster
> 
>  See FAQ at:  http://www.andrebacard.com/remail.html
> 
> > I am aware of companies selling smtp IPs of
> > mailservers that send messages by blind relays so that
> > my recipients cannot see my computer ip and isp
> > details on the message headers.
> > But, I am not interested in buying smtp IPs, 
> > I want to run my own blind relay smtp or mailserver.
> > Can you please kindly forward me where I can buy such
> > a mailserver?
> 
>  See that FAQ for pointers.
> 
> > Is there away to send email without revealing the
> > senders' computer IP and senders' ISP details and the
> > sending mailserver' details on the messages' header
> > aswell?
> > And is there away to hide the computer IP and
> > mailserver details and ISP details of the form that
> > sends the messages?
> > Is there away to blind relay?
> > 
> > Do you know of any free scripts that will let me do
> > what I am intending to do?
> > Can you help in any way?
> >  
> > Thanks
> >  
> > Ali
> 
> -- 
> /Matti Aarnio	<mea@nic.funet.fi>
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